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miss sayrah said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:59 p
Good afternoon… anyone home???
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:59 p
Hello Ladies! I’m here, but I’m taking a quick phone call. Please logg on and let us know who’s here and I’ll be right back.
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:00 p
Hey Miss Say-rah!
miss sayrah said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:01 p
Hey!!! Looks like we’ll have to use the refresh button in here… I’ll only be able to stay about 10-15 more minutes…
lilylily said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:04 p
Good Afternoon Literary Ones, Lily!
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:04 p
Anybody else here yet?
miss sayrah said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:05 p
Hi Lily!!!!
I can’t stay long… but I”m trying to be patient and wait on everyone… I think they’re all on CP Time!!! lol…
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:06 p
Hi Lily! Yes, I see we are going to have to do the refresh thing
miss sayrah said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:06 p
Just us T…. three all together…
lilylily said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:06 p
Hey Miss Sayrah, let’s ear their portion of the refreshments, that’ll teach ‘em.
shawna2 said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:07 p
Hi Ladies!
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:07 p
Say-rah, is there a refresh button on here, or are you doing the right-click thing???
lilylily said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:07 p
Hey Shawna2
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:07 p
Hello Shawna2, glad you could joing us!
lilylily said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:07 p
I mean “eat”
miss sayrah said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:08 p
@Lily lol… I know that’s right!I’m hungry too…
lilylily said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:08 p
how come this thang ain’t running the comments?
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:09 p
Lily, that’s why we’re here to figure out how this will work.
miss sayrah said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:09 p
@ T… I do the right-click thing…. Right Click then hit “R” on your keyboard… it’s faster
miss sayrah said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:09 p
Hey Shawna!
lilylily said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:09 p
oh, that’s right, my bad.
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:10 p
OK, so that’s one issue.
Shawna2 are you refreshing this page to see the comments?
lilylily said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:10 p
I’m using my browser’s refresh button
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:10 p
Has anyone else had any problems logging on or had any technical problems?
shawna2 said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:11 p
I just hit refresh.Ok..I think I’m up to date:)
lilylily said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:11 p
Not I. I’ve come here a couple of times and the sign up and everything else seems to be working fine.
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:12 p
Ok good.
Say-rah, did you have any other problems like with your avatar. I still can’t get a picture up (but that’s only minor)
miss sayrah said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:12 p
No, I have hand NO problems logging in…. good news
lilylily said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:12 p
Ya know, something could be in the water. Haloscan is doing the exact same thing to me today. Not running comments, I have to keep using refresh.
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:13 p
How’s the reading coming along ladies!!!???
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:14 p
It might be something down with the entire Haloscan thing. I don’t know.
miss sayrah said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:14 p
Still can’t change my avatar though.
Ok, I’ve got to head out…. is there anything else you need from me T???
lilylily said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:14 p
Good book, lil’ slow, but good book.
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:14 p
Shawna2, did you have any problems logging on or have any technical problems?
lovedevine said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:14 p
ok im finally able to post a comment hey!
miss sayrah said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:15 p
I’ve been attempting to round up the folks lingering over at YBF… so hopefully they’ll show up…
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:15 p
Miss Say-Rah, nope. If I think of something or if something comes up I’ll let you know.
miss sayrah said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:15 p
THERE YOU ARE!!! See! That wasn’t so hard now was it?
lilylily said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:15 p
Hey Love D! (even though I just saw you at YBF)
miss sayrah said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:16 p
@ T: Ok… *kisses* LATERS!!!!
Be good Miss LoveD!!! lol…
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:16 p
I agree Lily
Hey LoveD! What problems did you have?
shawna2 said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:17 p
No problems logging on or technical difficulties. It’s working fine!!
lilylily said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:18 p
If this is it’s worse problem, it’s liveable.
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:19 p
Yep, it sounds like the only issue is this refresh thing. OK, if no one has any other issues, I guess we can adjourn. See that didn’t take too long.
lilylily said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:20 p
Toodaloo folks, have a blessed day!
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:20 p
Oh I guess I should have asked if anyone had any other questions?? If not, then, meeting ADJOURNED!
that1girl said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:21 p
Have a great day!
lovedevine said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:24 p
dang that1 u probably left but im just seeing your message….no problems….just the refresh thing
shawna2 said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:26 p
bye everybody
farilady said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:44 p
sorry i’m late !!
mychele said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:26 p
Okay, sorry
mychele said,
March 15, 2007 @ pm:34 p
Okay the only thing that I do is hit submit comment and my post is refreshed.
afiya00 said,
March 19, 2007 @ pm:07 p
Sorry I missed the meeting…
specialk16 said,
March 21, 2007 @ pm:24 p
since i couldn’t come to the meeting,,,I wasn’t to make sure my avatar worked,,,
specialk16 said,
March 21, 2007 @ pm:24 p
Well, I guess not,,,
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:57 p
Okay, am I on the correct post?
Are we takin’ attendance?
What time is it?
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:00 p
I’s here…. LOLOLOL… am I in the right place?
crazy1beautiful said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:01 p
Hey yall
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:02 p
I’m here
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:02 p
Hey folks! Happy Monday to ya!
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:03 p
WordPress is apparently on the blink and I don’t know what’s going on!
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:03 p
Hey That1girl,,, lily, chelle, and C/B….
BTW,,, specialk is No Regrets for you YBF’ers…
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:03 p
Greeting Ladies…how’s everyone doing
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:03 p
Is this where we are supposed to be?
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:04 p
Ok, I guess we’ll get started. Is it my computer or is everyone’s screen BLANK?
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:04 p
Sorry, it’s your computer
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:05 p
That1Girl, It might have been me? I was looking for how to change the time….Sorry
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:05 p
I wanted to do a separate entry but it won’t let me in?? Anyway, let’s get this party started!
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:05 p
I’m here!
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:05 p
do you guys have to keep hitting refresh to get new comments?
Afiya said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:05 p
My screen is fine.
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:06 p
Yup
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:06 p
Yes.
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:06 p
Question 1: Overall, did you like the book? Why/Why Not
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:06 p
I’m ready,,,
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:06 p
Good afternoon all! (The time on my screen is screwed up also.)
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:07 p
okay let me first say,,, I didn’t quite finish,,, but,,, so far, I have enjoyed it,,, it started kind of slow for me,,, but now I am into it. sorry for being unprepared. next month, I will do better.
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:08 p
After I read the first couple of chapters, I found myself wondering if Hillary had read this…and who is she going to vote for? *snickers*
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:09 p
Yes, I agree, it was slow in the beginning but it picked up.
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:09 p
It was a good read, I think that 100 pages of it could have actually been another book, but we get a good idea of who he is as a man and how he informs himself.
Afiya said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:09 p
I too didn’t complete it but I do plan to finish this one before I start my next book.
Overall I liked it…to the point.
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:10 p
Anybody else before we move on to Q2?
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:10 p
Lily you are so correct, it was like he was so transparent, it makes me wonder when did he decide to run for president, and would he have been so open
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:10 p
I started late and only got to chapter 3 but from what I read it seems like the book was straight, to the point and didn’t get too technical. I don’t know if this is the appropriate word but it seems like the book was charming. Because of it’s laid back nature I couldn’t help but agree with the points he was making. Maybe its my ignorance to politics that allowed me to think that way but isnt that what politicians want folks to do? So I liked it.
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:11 p
Although I didn’t finish it (*sorry*), I did read most of it. I really enjoyed the book. Whether you are a registered Dem. or Rep., so-called “conservative”, “liberal” or moderate, the book addresses everyone. While Sen. Obama does not hide the fact that he is a Democrat, he attempts to show the reader both sides of the issue and to remove the mystery behind the political process. He also humanizes himself and shows that he is clearly without flaws, but his intentions are genuine and noble. I think he succeeded in addressing the book’s objectives.
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:11 p
Yes,,, I really like his views,,, I liked his values chapter…. I am big on Values…
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:11 p
Yeah, it was like a serious precursor, this is me, I’m a great guy and great american, I’m am every man.
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:12 p
Simply B did you cry, I don’t know why I was emotional. but after chapter one and two, I just burst out in tears…
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:13 p
Mychele, my eyes did well up when he discussed values and family.
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:13 p
Really Chelle and Simply B? He through soooo much stuff in there, I found myself very emotionally detached. Interesting.
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:13 p
Naw I didn’t cry. But my heart was def. heavy. Especially when he was talking about the strain on his marriage in the beg. That type of stuff can be tough!
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:14 p
my only thing is that I wish we would have started off w/his first book. It would have given me more of a clue to certain things he was referring to. Like does anyone know what happened to his father?
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:14 p
I’m having severe technical difficulties so bare with me.
Q2 2. Overall, what is your opinion of Sen. Barack Obama? Has your view of him and his policies changed your opinions for the better or worse, or remained the same?
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:15 p
@lalJohson (LJ right?) Yes, I have to agree,,, he did show both sides and I appreciated that.
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:15 p
Lily..I need more are you saying that you don’t like the book, that he is too much full of Obama…
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:16 p
Q2: My view of him has changed for the better. I find him clearly to be a man of substance. Although I know that much of what he proposes probably won’t be accomplished in our lifetimes, he seems to believe that this is no excuse. We must start somewhere.
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:16 p
I am still a huge fan of Senator Obama,,, most people have said that they don’t think he is ready for office,,, but I think he just might be.
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:17 p
I too am having technical difficulties, nonetheless, my opinion remained the same. I think that he is a very informed man and that he access the proper information at the proper time. You know, not a know it all or someone trying to show you how smart he is, even though he’s very smart. I do get the impression that he “believes” in the constitution and all American foundations and that if they are properly abided by, this country could be great.
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:18 p
If Sen. Obama is anything like the book then I think he is a good guy. Maybe, when the years of being in polotics set in he may change his ways. Maybe begin to understand that the values stuff wont hold much and therefore he may have to let one or two go.
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:18 p
I think the part that makes him ready for office is that he has not been tarnish to the point that others have been, I think that this might work out in his favor..IMO
He hasn’t lost his love for “the dream” …
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:19 p
I just think it is good that he still has values,,, many politician have lost that…
lovedevine said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:19 p
hello ladies…..im just figuring out that you all were meeting on the same post as the last time….I didn’t get to read the book to due a heavy school work load….but i just wanted to come and support the group
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:19 p
Although he may not have as much political “experience” than others, I am now convinced that he is certainly qualified for office. I’d just hate to see such a decent man and his family dragged through the muck and the mire of politics. I doubt that I could do it.
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:19 p
Mychele, I guess my response did sound like that. I like the book as an introduction and study on Obama the man and politician, I just think that he made such a large attempt to show us every aspect of his belief system and from where it comes and upon which foundation he bases it, that it was almost pretentious, even though I don’t believe that he was pretending anything at any point. It was just a bit of overkill.
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:20 p
Hey Lovedevine…good lookin out gurl
Smooches
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:20 p
But once he is in office he will surely be hit with things that go absolutely againt the values he believes in. Surely he cannot veto everything. What is a man like him supposed to do when faced with decisions like that?
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:21 p
Now Mychele, I totally agree with you on that. I think that the beauty of this man is that he does strongly stand on priniciple and will be unwaivering in who he is and that gives him a special value in politics.
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:22 p
yeah, I know what you mean simply b … good point… it is such a grey area.
lovedevine said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:22 p
from the sound of it….i need to finish this book anyway….sounds like a good read! im enjoying just reading you ladies conversation….
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:23 p
What Obama calls for is a collective effort. Is that possible?
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:23 p
Hey Lovedevine, much respect on getting your work done, you’ll have plenty of extracurricular time for reading when you graduate.
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:23 p
Yes, Lily I do understand what you’re sayin, that’s why I want for us in the future to go back and read his first book, I need to know more about his mother, grandparents. This book left me wanting more… but, my clue/hint that he is really who he says he is, is when I look at Michelle. I don’t think she is the type that would tolerate too much, she’s not a Washington Wife…
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:24 p
Lily said: ” I think that the beauty of this man is that he does strongly stand on priniciple and will be unwaivering in who he is and that gives him a special value in politics.”
Which is probably why he won’t win. Special interest group, big $$, and more powerful politicians don’t necessarily appreciate that.
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:24 p
Lily, I agree with you whole heartedly. For me personally, it was like each chapter, you almost knew what he was going to say.
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:24 p
Simply B, Oh yes, we all know that all things are possible through the grace and glory of God. But we also know that all of the different agendas out there won’t allow for that collective effort.
Afiya said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:24 p
He’s gonna need some really TOUGH SKIN…we as black people have a tendency to be tolerable…and in politics it’s a dog eat world…he’s gonna need to know how to say yes and no at the right time…right now he’s has the right idea but he’s gonna need more than ideas to run the USofA.
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:24 p
Right,,, I wouldn’t say that I don’t see her as a Washington wife,,, BUT she doens’t look like she takes much mess, if you know what I mean,,, I am sure God has blessed her with patience,,, could you imagine your husband in a position like this?
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:25 p
That1girl, Big Time! Now given who I’ve come to believe he is, that’s not a bad thing. But when I’m reading 400 pages, it’s a very bad thing. Consolidate man, consolidate.
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:25 p
Simply B–we’ll get there in a minute–big $$ and politics
Q3:3. Do you think he has enough appeal to win? Do you think he’s too idealistic or practical in his approach?
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:26 p
Simply B a collective effort? I think that’s what made my cry, although I loved this book, deep in my hearts of hearts I don’t think it is possible.
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:27 p
I am sure that he won’t be cut throat enough,,,, I saw today on GMA that Hillary is still leading in the polls,,,, If America was smart then,,,, they would vote for him,,, but we all know about the US of A.
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:29 p
Oops don’t mean to rush.
Oh yes he has the appeal. He has everything that politics is SUPPOSED to be about. He is the epitomy of the American dream for most folks but he has to come with more than that.
*Side note* He is in ATL today!
I like him, I would vote for him, I think we need a few debates out of this man.
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:29 p
SpecilaK/No Regrets–I don’t put much in those polls. They are too biased.
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:29 p
Q3: He is very idealistic and practical – much of what he says makes perfect sense. Conceptually, a lot of folks may agree with him. However, when it’s time to articulate the details about how to get from A to Z, the wolves will be out to attack. Unfortunately, I think it’s his positive traits that will preclude him from getting to the White House.
crazy1beautiful said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:30 p
I didn’t read the book either…yet…but I realize what I’ve missed out on. I need to research him and his positions, but I think I have a grasp from what you ladies have said. It does sadden me to think that because he has integrity he may not win. Is that what most of you took from the reading?
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:31 p
@that1girl… true true,,, they are,,, and I always wonder where they are getting their numbers for.
I wasn’t totally team Obama,,, but after reading what I have read,,, I am definitely pushing for him,,,,
I wouldn’t totally call myself a democrat,,, I am actually registered as an independent,,, but I like what he has to say.
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:31 p
@CrazyB – Yes. I was skeptical at first, but I would vote for him now.
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:31 p
Snazzy question that1girl. Actually, I thnk that he has too much appeal not to win. That’s not what will cost him. It’s that suit of Africana that will cost him. He’s accepted across the board, he’s such a likeable guy with a million dollar smile, but the good old USA ain’t ready Not Obama, the mainstream, not ready. Idealistically I think he’s on target because his vision is of today and the near future, not the vision of tomorrow like Dr. King had to motivate America. And his ideals, in my opinion are his practice. He’s a very self governed man.
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:31 p
I do believe that he will win. This is only 07, and every race that he has entered he was considered the underdog. I believe that he has been chosen for this time. Look at how men with money came up against him in other campaigns and lost. I believe more in the prophets that the polls.
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:32 p
Simply B–I agree. When he comes back to ATL, I WILL be there front row. We do need some debates.
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:34 p
laljohnson “He is very idealistic and practical – much of what he says makes perfect sense. Conceptually, a lot of folks may agree with him. However, when it’s time to articulate the details about how to get from A to Z, the wolves will be out to attack. Unfortunately, I think it’s his positive traits that will preclude him from getting to the White House.”
Exactly, we’re mind to mind on this.
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:35 p
Mychele–This may be a SIDEBAR that we can pick back up on, but did he win FAIR and SQUARE, or was it by default in certain instances? Let’s put this on a sidebar.
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:35 p
Q4:4. In each chapter, he offers up some solutions to our nations problems. Where there any that you disagreed with? Why?
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:35 p
Mychele, I agree with you on the fact that he has been “chosen for this time,” I just don’t know if that is for the presidency or another work that will free him to bring about change.
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:36 p
I don’t believe it’s a black thing. If I had read this book without the benefit of knowing anything about him expect his political background. I would still feel the same, it’s more of an about time thing. American’s are tired..
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:39 p
Mychele, Your’s is the brave forward thinking perspective that I live in also, and Obama is man of distinction regardless of color, but this country is not. I wish it were.
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:41 p
Sorry folks, gotta duck out and pick up my son, which will take about twenty minutes, if you guys are still here I’ll jump back in.
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:41 p
Did we lose some folks??
Afiya said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:42 p
I.m here…but my machine is acting up…and i t s v e r y v e r y s l o w….
so I can’t keep up with the questions…I’ll just lurk for now…
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:42 p
I am still here That1girl… but because I didn’t read the whole book I didn’t answer the 4th question… I will have to duck out in a few because I am in training (I have been putting my boss off, so that I could sit in here for the discussion,,, but I think she is on to me.
),,, so I apologized for that too….
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:42 p
No, I’m still here. Your question of solutions is kinda a hard one?
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:42 p
I was wondering the same thing
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:43 p
Ok, is anyone going to answer Q4, which was:
4.In each chapter, he offers up some solutions to our nations problems. Where there any that you disagreed with? Why?
lovedevine said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:43 p
im still here….im just quietly observing…i will make sure i read the next book..i feel left out lol
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:44 p
I’m home with 3 kids today (teacher in-service). The 2-year old is on my lap which makes for SLOW responses!!
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:44 p
Ok, moving on to Q 5 then, moving into a little more details.
5.One of his central themes appears to be finding “common ground” among all factions—Republicans vs Democrats; religious rights vs liberals; blacks vs whites; poor vs rich, etc… and act upon those common issues that unite us as a nation. Given all of our different experiences, backgrounds, and beliefs, do you believe that we can honestly agree upon solutions that will allow us to act on our common issues. For example, everyone wants crime to decrease. However, Republicans believe building more jails to house criminals is the answer, yet Democrats believe that more social programs to get at “root causes” is the solution.
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:44 p
SIDEBAR: Suggestion, before I run out, when perplexed and giving thought to a question, maybe we could type in thinking so that we don’t have that big gap of time that we just had.
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:46 p
I’m out on this question. I agree with all he had to say in the chapters I read.
One of his solutions to respond to instaces of racism is with clear dissapproval. How do we do that without being portrayed wrongly?
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:46 p
Lily, yep I agree. That1Girl, ain’t no joke w/these questions…damn!
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:46 p
Q5 – do you believe that we can honestly agree upon solutions that will allow us to act on our common issues
Unfortunately no. Call me cynical, but I believe that politics and media distortions will always get in the way
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:48 p
Given all of our different experiences, backgrounds, and beliefs, do you believe that we can honestly agree upon solutions that will allow us to act on our common issues.
Nope because I feel that we all have our own agendas… it would be nice,,, but that is what makes us different,,, I try to see both sides of EVERYTHING,,, but is this even possible? Agreeing upon solutions on common issues???
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:49 p
SIDEBAR: @special Sorry for the late response – yes, I’m “LJ”
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:50 p
okay, if common ground is our central location for finding solutions, how much are ‘we’ as Americans willing to do on our part, to see this come to pass, I’m sorry to say that I believe that we are a lazy nation, waiting for Obama or the next JFK to ‘just do something’…Is America willing to get her hands dirty…it’s seems like only in times of tradegy 911/Katrina we find common ground
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:50 p
In short no! Not to the big things at least. We all know individually everyone should have some form of healthcare but collectively some folks will want something better and over the top and if that means others have to suffer than fack them!
When the laws are clear you gotta follow them but when dealing with social issues you got all kinds of grey areas.
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:50 p
Lily, that’s cool, so I don’t think you have left. LOL.
Simply B-what do you mean?
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:51 p
LOL @ LJ whatever,,, I thought you were trying to be all siddity up in here ignoring me and stuff, like you didn’t know me,,,
No Regrets… in case ya’ll didn’t know.
Afiya said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:51 p
Well he had a good anwer to your question.
We think of faith as a source of comfort and understanding but find our expressions of faith sowing division; we believe ourselves to be a tolerant people even as racial, religious, and cutural tensions roil the landscape. And instead of resolving these tensions or mediating these confilicts, our politics fans them, exploits them, and drives us further apart.
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:51 p
Special K….yes, that’s the word I was looking for we’ve all got our own agendas, it’s all about me and mines.
Afiya said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:51 p
Well he had a good answer to your question.
We think of faith as a source of comfort and understanding but find our expressions of faith sowing division; we believe ourselves to be a tolerant people even as racial, religious, and cutural tensions roil the landscape. And instead of resolving these tensions or mediating these confilicts, our politics fans them, exploits them, and drives us further apart.
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:51 p
Was common ground even found with 9-11 /Katrina. I don’t think so.
lovedevine said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:52 p
wow there is so much deepness that lies in that question you just asked that1
this is just my personal opinion….i feel that the gov’t will never act in the best interest of the people because they think of us as a mass of people instead of individuals and healing the people of this country by providing programs and such….instead there are so many cutbacks….while the money goes to war to kill people instead of helping the people that are living here in the US…
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:52 p
Remember the passage in the book where the Senataor was discussing an amendment that he was trying to get passed in an immigration bill? One of his Republican counterparts said one thing but secretly agreed with him; however, his “small business” interest groups would be none too pleased. Good old POLITICS will always get in the way.
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:53 p
Anyone else, before we move on. As you all can see, we have been an 1 hr already. If you can stay GREAT, if not, I will post these Q6 on the site.
Q67. (Pg 39) Sen. Obama calls the Democratic party “the party of reaction”. Do you agree or disagree? Why?
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:53 p
that1girl
what are you referring to? Sometimes I say stuff I don’t understand sometime. help me.
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:56 p
I agree. The Dems are always getting in AFTER the fact, instead of being more proactive in crafting solutions. Its likethey allow everyone else to do the hard work, then sit back to see if it will work. I think this is what is killing the Democratic party.
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:56 p
Q6 For a while, I believe that the Dems. were the party of “reaction”. But I believe that was primarily because they were in the minority and none of the bills that they sponsored came to a floor vote. All of the Rep. initiatives were being put forth. So in all fairness, the Dems. had to reactive because they did not always have the clout to be proactive.
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:57 p
Simply B…I think we did touch on common ground during Katrina, it hit us that ‘if only for the grace of God, it could have been anyone of us’…unfortunatlely, Goverment feels like they are above the grace and could careless of a solution, as long as it doesn’t effect big business..
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:58 p
Simply-B–nevermind, I went back and re-read your response on the racism issue. I get what you were saying.
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:58 p
Also, the Dems. were/are not a skilled as the Reps. with the PR “spin” machine. SIDEBAR: Quite frankly, I’m fed up with both parties. If I could be a registered Independent here in PA I would. But to do so would preclude me from voting in the primaries. Bummer.
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:59 p
I don’t know how to articulate this but, I’ll try.
I believe that not only Democrats, but all parties are more into being right than in doing the right thing.
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:00 p
I gotta agree.
I think Democrats sometimes have their hands in to many things at once. Sometimes everyone needs to regroup, go down the laundry list of issues and decide on their stance.
I truly think Republicans do this. They will get together and be unified on a stance. I’m pretty sure some republicans don’t feel 100% for a stance on an issue but they are willing to let one go for the team.
Not saying they shoulf mimic the other party but it does help when everyone comes together, say one thing and stick to it instead of having folks all over the place.
I hope I’m not rambling…
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:00 p
Chelle- I agree 100%
Moving on,
(Pg. 109) Although there are so-called campaign financing laws to limit lobbyists, corporate, and other big money special interest group contributions, there still appears to be an uneven playing field in regards to smaller interest groups and individual voters. Sen. Barack explains that corporate lobbyists have more access to politicians, more information, and influence than the average voter. Do you think this is a practice that should be abolished, reformed, or does it serve a purpose that is ultimately beneficial to most citizens?
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:02 p
this is what scares me about Hillary…the After the fact part. She can’t even admit she vote for the war, without stuttering or placing blame…
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:03 p
*thinking*
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:04 p
sorry,,, but regarding #6 question,,, I think that a lot of dems are reactive and not always proactive IMO…
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:06 p
Special interest groups have served a purpose and in the past, have helped the average joe. However, this practice has gotten out of hand and the more money and access to power, the more than greed and myopic viewpoints have taken over. The smaller financed and less powerful groups (although just as important) have been pushed aside. Unfortunately, campaign finance reform and lobbyist disclosure issues will continue to be a political wedge.
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:06 p
Well said LJ, I agree!
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:08 p
Moving on,
(Pg. 109) Although there are so-called campaign financing laws to limit lobbyists, corporate, and other big money special interest group contributions, there still appears to be an uneven playing field in regards to smaller interest groups and individual voters. Sen. Barack explains that corporate lobbyists have more access to politicians, more information, and influence than the average voter. Do you think this is a practice that should be abolished, reformed, or does it serve a purpose that is ultimately beneficial to most citizens?
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Maybe reformed but not abolished,,, I lobbied for the first time in my life,,, and felt like I had a good reason to be lobbying,,, I am not rich and do not have a lot of influence,,, but I lobbied about what I believe in. BUT,,, corporate lobbyists have a lot more influence because of the almighty dollar…. not sure if this is what you were looking for,,, but hey threw it out there.
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:08 p
It is my understanding that the lobbyists are the big money makers. Even for those who who don’t get the big donations. If you eliminate them then where will they get their cash from?
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:09 p
About 5 months ago, PA passed a new Lobbyist Disclosure law. This was fought over for years. Politicians on both sides are hard-pressed to find common ground for fear that they will alienate their benefactors.
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:09 p
I can’t answer your question without some serious thought, I can’t help but think back to Obama waking up to find that overnight his multi-millionaire oppent has place campaign signs all up and thru. How much it costs for radio/tv spots. I can’t say abolish maybe reformed, but what chance does the little man, whose family doesn’t have the monies that the Kennedy’s have, what happens to him? I can’t answer this quesiton right now…sorry
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:10 p
Good perspective, Specialk16/No Regrets!
specialk16 said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:11 p
okay ladies my boss has found me, and I have to go into training
thanks for the discussion talk to ya’ll later.
No Regrets
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:11 p
Simply B–there’s all kinds of ways to raise funds. Its jus that they have the deep pockets to write big checks for the maximum amount allowed under the law, but there are also a lof other lucrative “perks” besides cash. So it’s not just the money. These people need jobs and other favors AFTER they’re political career is over.
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:12 p
Chelle– which leads me to my next question
(Pg. 111) Sen Obama talked about his campaign race against businessman and multi-millionaire Blair Hull, in which he outspent the Senator 6-to-1. Had it not been for the scandal that ensued, it’s a strong possibility that Sen. Obama could have lost. Historically, Black and other minorities are usually at a disadvantage when it comes to raising money for campaigns. Should there be a cap on the amount of money that can be raised for various campaigns (ex: presidential race cap $1million; mayoral races cap $100,000, etc..)? Why/why not?
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:12 p
smooches Special K/NoRegrets
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:14 p
Ohhhhh. I need to read up on lobbyists. And I work in a library!
But can they raise the kind of money that will keep those ads on the tele, the signs in the yards, etc.?
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:15 p
I believe that there should be a monetary cap. However, once again, the more seasoned, and well-connected politicians will fight it tooth and nail because they tend to be able to raise more money and squash their opponents. Of course, there’s always exceptions to that. Nonetheless, it would be nice to see political candidates on a more level playing field monetarily, and focus on the ISSUES!
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:17 p
Simply B–it can be done at the grassroots level, but its harder to gather 100 people to donate $10 each, than to have 1 lobbyists to write 1 check for the same amount.
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:19 p
Okay, a cap. Yes, a cap on spending would be fair, for everyone. Not, only will it level the playing field it will give us more insight to the real motives behing each campaign. In one section after Obama has won, he had stated that he was happy that his endorsement from a certain group had fell thru, it allowed him the benefit of not returning their phone calls. Which makes me scratch my head, if they had supported his campaign, would they have also purchased his integrity, I didn’t understand what he meant…
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:20 p
I see we are running into 1 1/2 hrs. Do we want to wrap it up with one more question or do we want to keep going. I have about 6 or 7 more questions that we didn’t get to.
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:21 p
Chelle–because its the “you scratch my back” I’ll scratch yours.
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:22 p
I know it’s unusual, but can we schedule another time this week to finish the discussion? My time is somewhat limited but I am enjoying this immensely!
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:23 p
That1Girl, I’ve got to bounce. Could it be possible for you to post these questions on this site or Yahoo. I don’t want to stop. Maybe, for those who wish, we can pick this back up later this week. Maybe after work, this is not a one hour discussion..we owe it to ourselves.
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:23 p
Great minds think alike, Chelle!
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:24 p
Okay, I ran over a couple of those kids in the car circle at my son’s school but I’m back. and I think I say let’s go one more day on this, I’m enjoying the conversation
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:25 p
@laljohnson *blushing*
So, how about it T, can we pick this up later
If you need me to help I can
Jus’ let me know what I can do
mychele said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:28 p
Lily, you got me crackin up, but, I know how you feel. Everyone is giviing me the *side-eye*…it’s one thing to shoot off a smart alkey(sp) response on YBF, but I need more time to ponder, in a more relaxed setting (my livingroom)..
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:29 p
WordPress is being a B***H on my end. Ok ladies. I will post these questions on the site and we can pick back up maybe tomorrow. This is fun, but I’m getting aggrevated with WordPress.
I will submit to everyone the new recommendations for April and put the poll up.
Simply B said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:31 p
Yeah I could so one more but this computer is going crazy.
Till Next time….
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:31 p
LOL!LOL! I know Chelle, but it’s an interesting book with a lot of comtemplative material and actually it’s going to take more than an hour and a half the work through it. SIDEBAR: That1girl, do you think that it might behoove whomever is the moderator to send out two or three of the more provocative questions to the group the night before so that everyone has their thoughts a bit more in order since we’re woking through this medium?
laljohnson said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:32 p
WordPress has been a p.i.t.a. for me too!
Thanks That1 and Chelle!
lilylily said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:33 p
See how simpatico we are, special, so very special *sniff*
that1girl said,
March 26, 2007 @ pm:37 p
Ok ladies I’m out, heading over to the group site! Thank you all so much for joining. I know this is the first discussion and we will have to tweak something to make it run smoother, but we’ll get there. Technology can be a pain in the ass at times, but I guess we would have never met w/o it.
Smooches!
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